For all the politicians reading my blog (I know you're out there!),
I want to tell you that blogging offers a new ray of hope for those under Media Siege (and with the truth emergency o
f our media today, this happens all the time, to good people).Imagine, the next time someone writes a bash-column about you, you get to answer back and actually talk with your oppressor!Blogging offers untested possibilities/opportunities, for people trying to speak truth to power,
you are actually able to "duel" with you opponent (and possibly win).That said, blog dueling is not for the faint of heart. As I have been saying over and over again, the age of Anonymous blogging is a very dangerous one for ethics and justice.Hate carries very well without accountability (duh!), and hate has been refined to new, unseemly levels (much of it directed at Justice), with this new media genre.There is no way a community should sit back and not examine what this new media form is doing to their city, and I urge this.That said, I have learned (I think I can write a book one day) a thing or two about dealing with Trolls. I will tell you just a couple of them of them here (I need to leave some mystery so you'll buy the book!).
My Troll maxim Number one is:A Troll is trying to shut you up. So don't!Number two: you need to speak to Trolls as they deserve (i.e. you need to be very tough with them).Enjoy (as if you haven't already, yeah right!!) the "Sport" of blog-dueling (ironically on a post attacking Larry Wilson, one of my arch-nemesis's):"Sharkey vs. Snarky: Blog Smackdown"posted by Dormitas at 10:42 AM on Jun 3, 2009
Reprinted from the
Pasadena Political UnderbellyOur own Sharkey (aka Mike deLeeuw) got in a pissing contest with biddy-meister Larry Wilson's on the snarky dude's blog.
Snarky Larry took off after us anonymoose bloggers and Sharkey did the unmentionable: he signed his name to a post. Larry claimed to have somehow electronically outed Sharkey but got corrected by our own snarky Sharkey. Mike signed it on purpose and paid the price from Larry who got smacked down by the MAN, our own Sharkey.
Way to go, Mike! Watch out for Larry driving past your house in his Prius throwing water balloons at your kids.
Today snarky Larry's column had something about the LA superintendent Cortines trashing the S-Nooze but Larry hasn't got the guts to tell us what he said. Anybody know?
We're still anonymoose.
D.
"Sharkey vs. Snarky: Blog Smackdown"
25 Comments
Anonymous Anonymous said...Reporters have gone to jail establishing the newsperson's privilege not to disclose sources -- resisting court orders to protect sources and their journalistic ethics. Why would anyone in journalism "out" anonymous posters, especially after offering anonymity to them in the posting feature. Because they disagree with them? It is a sure way to discourage any trust in the notion of an off-the-record comment and may even help to end the newsperson's privilege if the courts feel that journalistic ethics have changed and do not apply in the internet age. The Star News should not offer anonymous posting if they do not mean it.
June 7, 2009 1:21 P
Anonymous Sharkey said...Snarky Larry wants to scare anyone who disagrees with him away. He's just proving what an asshole he is.
If you can't win an argument intellectually nothing beats bullying, eh Larry?
Mike deLeeuw
East Pasadena Taxpayer
former Star-News purchaser
June 7, 2009 9:00 PM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...That is insane, Larry Wilson carping about Anonymous bloggers!!
He only publishes anonymous comments all the time on the Pasadena Star News (and has for years),
what a hypocrite, as usual.
June 8, 2009 6:23 PM
Blogger West Coast Grrlie Blather said...I'm not a fan of anonymous blogging, but I will defend the right of anyone who wants to either blog or comment anonymously. Free speech, right?
June 9, 2009 9:31 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...yes, Kelly, you really "love" and defend Free Speech, thats why you were such a big fan of Aaron Proctor,
and allowed him to post his racist, profane, sexist hate on this blog.
June 9, 2009 9:54 AM
Anonymous Sub Lt . Ogilvie said...And We're off!!!
Guess when no one comments on one's blog then one must comment on the PPU.
Tired of kissing ass over at the Tattler?
June 9, 2009 10:02 AM
Anonymous Kelly is mad said...yes, I can see you are a very big fan of anonymous blogging
June 9, 2009 10:11 AM
Anonymous grow up ginny said...Kelly is mad IS Virginia
June 9, 2009 10:14 AM
Anonymous kelly is in charge said...no, really?
June 9, 2009 10:18 AM
Anonymous danger to herself? said...Can't the action so obviously crave on the PNP so you have to troll here? They kick you off of Topix?
June 9, 2009 10:20 AM
Anonymous edit said...Can't get the action.....
June 9, 2009 10:21 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...
wow, Kelly, you really learned the "Diss" well,
AP taught you well,
no wonder you were one of his biggest fans
June 9, 2009 10:23 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...to edit:
oh, theres plenty of "action" here
June 9, 2009 10:24 AM
Anonymous or others? said...Actually he was race baiting Troll. I thought he was a cynical opportunist, but I never came to doubt his sanity.
PS. I have never met Mr. Amy
June 9, 2009 10:26 AM
Anonymous Wooooooooah then said..."....oh, theres plenty of "action" here...."
Say no more say no more wink wink nudge nudge.
June 9, 2009 10:29 AM
Anonymous Wooooooooah then said..."....oh, theres plenty of "action" here...."
Say no more say no more wink wink nudge nudge.
June 9, 2009 10:29 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...no, Kelly, but I'll bet you read his blog all the time.
And Aaron Proctor, you were one of the die-hard supporters, at his very last party when most former "friends" had, sensibly, dropped off.
Thankfully, I saved the pictures AP posted from that party,
and there you are.
why?
June 9, 2009 10:38 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...it fine, Kelly, to call someone a "race-baiting troll" AFTER they have been outed and shamed (and kicked out of town),
but while AP was here, he could rely on your friendship.
June 9, 2009 10:48 AM
Anonymous Wow said...You owe WCGB an apology, when someone posts something you don't like you just can't accuse the person you think of.
June 9, 2009 10:54 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...you just outed yourself
(sorry, Kelly, too late for cover-up)
oh, and I have everything saved and screen shot, in case you try deleting the revealing comment.
June 9, 2009 10:56 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...by the way, thanks for the chat, Kelly,
I have been wanting to talk with you for a long time.
I am going now, but will be happy to chat with you further at another time.
June 9, 2009 11:00 AM
Anonymous Not kelly said...Man you are a bully, you pick the first you find and try to pick a fight. Our dialogue this morning reminds me of the times I tried to talk some sense to a certain cyber goth cum neocon.
I am not the proc
nor am I rene amy
not even Goldstein Am I
June 9, 2009 12:59 P
Blogger Miss Havisham's Tea Party said...I am completely in my cups this evening, but you, Ms. Hoge, are being unreasonable. You are writing nonsense of the old, old, dusty, dried and shriveled up kind.
As for the newspaper, I support them--all of them 100%. Or, I should say, I support journalism and what it means to keep an accurate record. All of the paper involved in advertising, etc. needs to go-- (sip)
I think Mr. Wilson and staff create a valuable product. It doesn't mean I agree with what they print or the tone, etc. His remarks stir the pot and that will bring in readers. He's not stupid. In fact, he is pretty smart despite what you may think.
Journalists don't have to be neutral but it is best (for us) when their product is not connected or does not hold an interest in a third party public institution, ie. school, church, police, state, etc.
News services should come from a disinterested third party but that is my idealism talking. (sip)
I wonder...
Is it better these days when most public institutions have PIOs instead of the old school getting information from moles, dumpsters, or schmoozin' officials with the remnants of ground axe dust weighing down their back pockets?
It's easier to blame the PIO instead of the person that did some bad thing against the public while employed at the public institution. But then, you're back to the same old problem as before; if the paper prints the nasty facts--will the PIO cut the reporters access? Well, that's doubtful, isn't it? I mean, that's the person's job--to provide access to public information.
Yet, lazy or inexperienced or overworked and underpaid reporters often parrot whatever the PIO puts out--never questioning or putting a critical thinking mind to it. Why is that? (sip)
One has to wonder who has a vested interest in keeping the problems with schools, young people, police, poverty, inequality, etc. going? This is just as bad as covering stuff up. Slant, ie. adding gratuitous ethnic information as a nondescript description--then justifying it by calling it "avoiding confusion."
Who manipulates information to $erve their $pecific agenda and to hell with anyone that get$ hurt in the proce$? That's what gnaws at my gin soaked brain.
Who and what keeps distracting us?
(glug)
Now, play nice. Remember, we're all connected under the skin.
June 10, 2009 12:18 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...oh look whose here?
AP's other biggest supporter, Miss Havisham.
I "loved" you birthday card to him (have it saved too).
Miss H. has been rather under cover lately (but busy, I'm sure), but look, here she is, in the "flesh".
These Ladies had a partnership in their support of Aaron Proctor, he was their good friend" and well, he needed them.
They took up for him, defended him (him!) from any attack.
How nice of them.
Miss H., your post is so bogus.
If you (or Kelly) really "cared" about people, you wouldn't have stood by a flaming racist/hate monger all that time.
All you only care about your friends, thats it.
Typical conservatives.
I am disgusted by the both of you,
whose behavior reminds me of old fashioned "witches".
June 10, 2009 8:19 AM
Blogger Virginia Hoge said...oh and Miss H and Kelly, while I have you here,
I saw a few posts back on the PPU, a little baby AP post cropping up,
are you ladies engineering a come-back for your "baby boy"?
(just asking)
June 10, 2009 8:30 AM
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Oh, I’m going to miss him. He was a real sweet young man. Very nice. I took his message seriously, even though he was very witty about it.
So many of us became motivated and interested in local politics because of his efforts. It’s too bad a guest house didn’t materialize, or an employer-in time.
All I had to offer him was a cup of tea. (sigh)
*looks up at Miss Havisham*
Best cup of tea ever, though.
I miss you guys more than anything. St. Louis sucks more than female White House interns from 1992-2000.
Thank you for your kind words, Jill. I don’t really think I deserve the accolades you give me, even in small doses. I’m just glad you’re involved and more aware of your political surroundings. That was my goal from the get-go.